Luc Verhaegen ([info]libv) wrote,
@ 2006-03-12 14:32:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend  Next Entry
Current mood: disappointed
Current music:Planet of the apes original soundtrack - Main titles.
Entry tags:via

New VIA code drop, new VIA license problems.
It's CEBIT, time for some smoke and mirrors. Time for a new VIA code drop. But some people look further than the marketing, and VIA isn't doing itself any favours this time over, again.

Remember how last year, when XGI released source, and VIA immediately claimed that it suddenly did the same, while it had been, more or less, doing that since the summer of 2003?

Two things really happened then, both borne out of me flaming VIAs source request form:

* Tarballs became freely downloadable for everyone. No more request form. This is what VIA tried to communicate in their press-release, but instead they forgot to point out the minor detail of it just becoming freely downloadable instead of just available.

* Proper MIT license was imposed on all files and the permission to change licenses of older files to the proper MIT license was given too. The MIT license in VIAs files was MIT-ish, except for the fact that the disclaimer only disclaimed VIA and S3, while a proper one disclaims all authors and copyright holders. As a free software developer, you're "liable". Open source? Depends on whose views you follow. Free software? Hrm.

So now, in the new code drop, VidStruc.h and Vinline.h regress to only disclaim VIA and S3 again. Fun.

But, more importantly; in viampg.h (two copies) where MIT was replaced with

* This PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE contains proprietary information of both
* S3 Graphics, Inc. (S3G) & VIA Technologies, Inc. (VIA); Contents of this file
* shall not be disclosed to any 3rd party, copied or duplicated in any form, in
* whole or in part without prior written consent of S3G & VIA.  THIS SOURCE CODE &
* ANY RELATED DOCUMENTATION (COLLECTIVELY SOFTWARE) ARE PROVIDED AS IS, WITH ALL
* FAULTS, & WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND.  S3G & VIA DISCLAIM ALL EXPRESS OR
* IMPLIED WARRANTIES.  USER ACKNOWLEDGES THAT PARTIES FOR ANY DAMAGES ARISING FROM
* USE OF SOFTWARE OR ITS DERIVATIVE,INCLUDING, W/O LIMITATION, LOSS OF USE, DATA OR
* PROFITS. USER WHOLLY ASSUMES ALL RISK ARISING FROM USE & PERFORMANCE OF SOFTWARE.

This is most certainly not open source software. This is proprietary nonsense.

Boo, VIA, Boo.

So VIA, how big an emphasis on "linux" are you putting at CEBIT? And how do you feel that your actions match up to your marketing?

And when will we see K8M890 source appear? Surely that's integrated graphics too. Or is K8M890 where your so called commitment stops?

Anyway, congratulations, you've got another marketing disaster on your hands.

UPDATE:
It hasn't even been 8 months since the last license scare, and yes, that wasn't the first time this happened.

In this newsforge article VIA was given the opportunity to comment. Madam Gatt had the following to say (amongst other questionable things): "We thank those people in the community who can forgive our mistakes and work with us with a friendly, positive attitude to continue to improve our efforts"

So VIA, do you really want everyone to forgive your mistake, AGAIN?.



(13 comments) - (Post a new comment)

look we're all tired of this GNU crap
(Anonymous)
2006-05-15 03:28 pm UTC (link)
and the GNU programmers who DON'T want to take a shower, who DON'T want to change their greasy shirts, and who DON'T want to quit whacking off in their office during WORKING hours. Gah, can't you people get it through your THICK FUCKING SKULLS that NOBODY LIKES YOU?

(Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: look we're all tired of this GNU crap
[info]libv
2006-05-15 03:39 pm UTC (link)
At least greasy thick me underpins his criticism. And this greasy shirt has tons of MIT licensed code to back it up too.

Not that i'd really want to know your name, but it is rather questionable that you're making such daft flamebaiting remarks, without even daring to mention your name. Cute.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: look we're all tired of this GNU crap
(Anonymous)
2006-05-15 05:36 pm UTC (link)
yeah but when you and rms are in bed, who calls out whos name? even more cute!

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: look we're all tired of this GNU crap
[info]libv
2006-05-16 12:27 am UTC (link)
You're Fiona, right?

I love you as well, no need to be jealous.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: look we're all tired of this GNU crap
(Anonymous)
2006-05-23 01:24 pm UTC (link)
I'm a GNU Programmer who:

1. Showeres everyday
2. changes clothes daily and washes clothes weekly
3. Thinks RMS is a bit extreme
4. Holds a 40 hr a week day job as an IT Manager/Project Manager
5. Has 3 websites with over 400 members in each
6. Thinks that 'nobody likes you' is a big stretch
7. Doesn't whack off at all (thanks for asking)

It seems that a nerve has been struck right? It's funny how when the GNU License is violated everyone comes out and attacks those bringing said violations to light. However, if someone violates proprietary license...no one comes out and attacks the companies that hold that license. Funny thing is...it's the same situation.

The GPL has been upheld numerous times in a court of law. It is legally binding just like any other proprietary license out there. The only thing is that ANYONE can use that software. Therein lies the problem. The only stipulation is that you 1. acknowledge you're using open source by including the license agreement (GPL) with your code 2. Release the GPL code part of your proprietary system along with that license.

Really it's a relatively easy to keep out of trouble...yet it still happens. When people bring this to light, they should be lauded for holding accountable a company includes GPL code without license or release. This is an injustice to the thousands of programmers like myself who donate time after work and family to further develop those programs. It's like VIA is telling me "thanks, we'll take that without asking and NO you can't see what we did with it." Which, in itself is ok...as long as they acknowledge that they took it and release the code that they took.

In all, nobody likes people who drop Fbombs anonymously and who call GNU programmers, who are the most prolific programmers and developers on the face of the planet, greasy and dirty.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: look we're all tired of this GNU crap
[info]libv
2006-05-23 03:37 pm UTC (link)
There is a slight twist here though. VIA forces those who sign to violate the GPL when VIA says so. They let others do the violating for them.

I'm not currently sure the act of imposing gpl violation on others is in itself is violating the GPL.

If it is covered, good, which copyright holder of GPLed can sue VIA now? some xine people perhaps?

If it isn't covered, then maybe this sort of thing should be covered by GPLv3.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


(Anonymous)
2006-05-17 11:36 am UTC (link)
He lives. Hail to the king of the trolls. Luc i know your personal little war will never come to an end. At the beginning it was pretty funny right now it's just becoming boring. Why don't you tell the few readers of your blog that you don't have the chance to get the same sources like other open source developers and why?

Someone who acts like a troll is treated like a troll and hell, you deserved it.

Get a life boy

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]libv
2006-05-17 12:13 pm UTC (link)
What source that was supposed to be open in the first place ain't i getting?
Surely you too realize that you are just adding to the validity of everything i've been saying here.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

Hello
(Anonymous)
2008-08-20 03:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm new here, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.

(Reply to this)

(Reply from suspended user)

(Reply from suspended user)
growth-flexv pro
(Anonymous)
2009-06-06 10:29 am UTC (link)
It was worth full….
http://growth-flex.com

(Reply to this)

Christian Louboutin shoes
[info]zeng123
2009-12-11 07:47 am UTC (link)

Hey,guy!You are great!I appreciate your comment,enjoy it, of course agree with you! You know I won’t admire anything unless it is real perfect !Such as I prefer the Christian Louboutin shoes,They are the most magical and sexy shoes!You never see,you never know if you don’t wear them!

(Reply to this)


(13 comments) - (Post a new comment)

Create an Account
Forgot your login or password?
Login w/ OpenID
English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…